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Not rocket science, but...
what do these numbers represent?
24, 20, 16, 17, 30, 19, 23, 12, 3*
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Maybe we do need a rocket scientist then.
Those numbers are the number of tries scored in the end of year NH tests from 1998 onwards (doesn't include matches v OZ). That's total tries in the match.
So in 1998 there were 24 tour tries in tests and so on. 2000, 01 and 02 all had 3 tests, then all years since had 4 tests, this year will have 5 including the Barbarians.
Maybe there will be an avalance of tries in the France match and the Barbarians match (though somehow I doubt it), but we had never in 29 previous NH tour matches stretching back to 1998 had a test with fewer than 2 tries scored in it. Now we've had it 3 weeks in a row. And the only time there were only 2 tries scored in a test was on the last tour. And the ABs haven't conceded a try to an NH team on one of these tours for SEVEN matches such is their attacking prowess and the fabulous new defences and wonderful rules of rugby.
I think even the 'purists' are going to realise that it is actual piss in their cups soon enough.
Edited by westie stylz on 24 November 2009 at 7:39am
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Here was me thinking Daniel Flynn was in the answer somewhere.
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Leg Break wrote (NB This may not be accurate, please check the original post):
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I was hoping someone would fly with a cricket answer. It is the silly season after all.
Right, I'll call this a morning and go to work 
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Leg Break wrote (NB This may not be accurate, please check the original post):
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Not enough "0"s.
The figures show that the IRB, with their f**king stupid rule changes and accompanying ridiculous refereeing instructions have made the game turn the full circle, taken Webb-Ellis out of the frame and returned it to it's soccer roots.
Final step will be to reduce goals to one point.
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Amazing statistics really...
So were not going with the 'credit Wayne Smith' theory then ?
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A sad indictment indeed. Just goes to show the NH teams are no longer whipping boys I guess.
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SSMO
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= number of tests lost since Ted took over on Northern Hemisphere EOY tours.
They're our bunnies mate - they stopped being whipping boys years ago.
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Prepaid wrote (NB This may not be accurate, please check the original post):
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I suppose the old adage "a wins a win no matter how it's achieved" stands huh? The pity of it all is rugby is the loser, hardly spectacles anymore.
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Given our efforts at RWC's i'll take a good old 6-3 win any time.
Looks like the message is getting through to head office as well...
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Prepaid wrote (NB This may not be accurate, please check the original post):
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Except for the 2007 EOY Tour.
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Cant remember that one ?
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Let's get a bit more perspective [I've included world cup years, with a * to denote these games]
Here are the tries for all games in the NH, against NH teams since 1998.
*Sat, 09 Oct 1999 v Eng. Tries: 3:1
*Thu, 14 Oct 1999 v ITL. Tries: 14:0
*Sun, 24 Oct 1999 v SCO. Tries: 4:2
*Sun, 31 Oct 1999 v FRA. Tries: 3:4
Sat, 11 Nov 2000 v FRA. Tries: 2:2
Sat, 18 Nov 2000 v FRA. Tries: 3:3
Sat, 25 Nov 2000 v ITA. Tries: 8:2
Sat, 17 Nov 2001 v IRE. Tries: 6:3
Sat, 24 Nov 2001 v SCO. Tries: 3:0
Sat, 09 Nov 2002 v ENG: Tries: 4:3
Sat, 16 Nov 2002 v FRA. Tries: 2:2
Sat, 23 Nov 2002 v WAL. Tries: 4:2
2003 - No matches fit this bill, RWC year in Sydney.
Sat, 13 Nov 2004 v ITA. Tries: 9:1
Sat, 20 Nov 2004 v WAL. Tries: 3:2
Sat, 27 Nov 2004 v FRA. Tries: 5:0
Sat, 05 Nov 2005 v WAL. Tries: 5:0
Sat, 12 Nov 2005 v IRE. Tries: 5:1
Sat, 19 Nov 2005 v ENG. Tries: 2:1
Sat, 26 Nov 2005 v SCO. Tries: 4:1
Sun, 05 Nov 2006 v ENG. Tries: 4:3
Sat, 11 Nov 2006 v FRA. Tries: 7:0
Sat, 18 Nov 2006 v FRA. Tries: 2:1
Sat, 25 Nov 2006 v WAL. Tries: 5:1
*Sat, 08 Sep 2007 v ITA. Tries: 11:2
*Sat, 15 Sep 2007 v POR. Tries: 16:1
*Sun, 23 Sep 2007 v SCO. Tries: 6:0
*Sat, Sep 29 2007 v ROM. Tries: 13:1
*Sat, 06 Oct 2007 v FRA. Tries: 2:2
Sat, 08 Nov 2008 v SCO. Tries: 4:0
Sat, 15 Nov 2008 v IRE. Tries: 3:0
Sat, 22 Nov 2008 v WAL. Tries: 2:0
Sat, 29 Nov 2008 v ENG. Tries: 3:0
Sat, 07 Nov 2009 v WAL. Tries: 1-0
Sat, 14 Nov 2009 v ITL. Tries: 1-0
Sat, 21 Nov 2009 v Eng. Tries: 1-0
Those 2005 results stand out to me, because that was, remember, the team which had demolished the Lions and was on a real high ahead of the RWC, pre-Carter ankle injury and [I think] injury free?
The stat I like to look at is the second column, tries conceded by the All Blacks. We've only let in more than 2 tries five times, and only once under GH. And we haven't had an NH side score a try against us on their home turf since the RWC.
And as LB says, barring France's victory in the 2007 RWC, Graham Henry's All Blacks are yet to lose on tour.
Edited by Naly D on 24 November 2009 at 12:20pm
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[QUOTE=westie stylz] Maybe we do need a rocket scientist then.
Those numbers are the number of tries scored in the end of year NH tests from 1998 onwards (doesn't include matches v OZ). That's total tries in the match.
There was no northern tour in 1998? Even so you've put up 9 figures, covering 12 years.
Edited by Naly D on 24 November 2009 at 12:25pm
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Leg Break wrote (NB This may not be accurate, please check the original post):
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The * ruled Flynn out.
Far too high for Timmy Mac.
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Naly D wrote (NB This may not be accurate, please check the original post):
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Maybe we do need a rocket scientist then.
Those numbers are the number of tries scored in the end of year NH tests from 1998 onwards (doesn't include matches v OZ). That's total tries in the match.
There was no northern tour in 1998? Even so you've put up 9 figures, covering 12 years.
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My bad, it was probably the fastest research I've done in a while.
The first year is 1997, the following ones are 2000, 2001, 2002, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2008 and 2009.
From 1997 to 2006 the average number of tries in these tests was between 4.75 and 7.5, last year it was 3 and this year it's 1.
The modern rules and enforcement of these rules, combined with the fittest players the game has seen has resulted in goal kicking exhibitions and aimless forceback showdowns.
I honestly cannot see a long term solution that does not involve one if not both loose forwards being removed from the field. Unless they want to add 10 metres to the width of the field. It has become a small surface area with the distance players can place kick, punt and run in f**king short order.
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